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Old 01-17-2015, 12:55 AM   #12
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It was the winter of 1939, only a few months earlier the Soviet Union and Hitler's Third Reich had signed a partially secret accord known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; essentially a non-aggression treaty which divided Europe down the middle between the fascists and the communists. Hitler would take the West, and Stalin would take the East. Stalin's war machine had already steamrolled into Latvia. Lithuania, and Estonia. The soviets used unprecedented social and political purges, rigged elections, and genocide, while the rest of the world was distracted by the Nazi blitzkrieg in Poland. In the midst of this mechanized power grab was the relatively tiny nation of Finland, which had been apportioned to the communists.

Apologists for Stalinist history (propagandists) have attempted to argue that the subsequent attack on Finland was merely about “border territories” which the communists claimed were stolen by the Finns when they seceded from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. The assertion that the soviets were not seeking total dominance of the Finns is a common one. However, given the vicious criminal behavior of Russia in nearby pacified regions, and their posture towards Finland, it is safe to assume their intentions were similar. The Finns knew what they had to look forward to if they fell victim to the iron hand of Stalin, and the soviet propensity for subjugation was already legendary.

The Russian military was vastly superior to Finland's in every way a common tactician would deem important. They had far greater numbers, far better logistical capability, far better technology, etc, etc. Over 1 million troops, thousands of planes, thousands of tanks, versus Finland's 32 antiquated tanks, 114 planes which were virtually useless against more modern weapons, and 340,000 men, most of whom were reservists rallied from surrounding farmlands. Finland had little to no logistical support from the West until the conflict was almost over, though FDR would later pay lip service to the event, “condemning” soviet actions while brokering deals with them behind the scenes. Russian military leadership boasted that the Finns would run at the sound of harsh words, let alone gun fire. The invasion would be a cakewalk.

The battle that followed would later be known as the “Winter War”; an unmitigated embarrassment for the Soviets, and a perfect example of a small but courageous indigenous guerrilla army repelling a technologically advanced foe.



To Fight, Or Pretend To Fight?


Fast forward about seven decades or so, and you will discover multiple countries around the globe, including the U.S., on the verge of the same centralized and collectivized socialist occupation that the Finnish faced in 1939. The only difference is that while their invasion came from without, our invasion arose from within. The specific methods may have changed, but the underlying face of tyranny remains the same.

In America, the only existing organization of people with the slightest chance of disrupting and defeating the march towards totalitarianism is what we often refer to as the “Liberty Movement”; a large collection of activist and survival groups tied together by the inexorable principles of freedom, natural law, and constitutionalism. The size of this movement is difficult to gauge, but its social and political presence is now too large to be ignored. We are prevalent enough to present a threat, and prevalent enough to be attacked, and that is all that matters. That said, though we are beginning to understand the truly vital nature of our role in America's path, and find solidarity in the inherent values of liberty that support our core, when it comes to solutions to the dilemma of globalization and elitism, we are sharply divided.

While most activist movements suffer from a complete lack of solutions to the problems they claim to recognize, constitutional conservatives tend to have TOO MANY conceptual solutions to the ailments of the world. Many of these solutions rely upon unrealistic assumptions and methods that avoid certain inevitable outcomes. Such strategies center mostly on the concepts of “non-aggression” or pacifism idealized and romanticized by proponents of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and the anti-war movements of the 1960's and 1970's. The post-baby boomer generations in particular have grown up with an incessant bombardment of the “higher nature” of non-violence as a cure-all for every conceivable cultural ailment.

We have been taught since childhood that fighting solves nothing, but is this really true?

I can understand the allure of the philosophy. After all, physical confrontation is mentally and emotionally terrifying to anyone who is not used to experiencing it. The average “reasonable” person goes far out of their way on every occasion to avoid it. Most of the activists that I have met personally who deride the use of force against tyrannical government have never actually been in an outright confrontation of any kind in their lives, or if they have, it ended in a failure that scarred them. They have never trained for the eventuality. Many of them have never owned a firearm. The focus of their existence has been to hide from pain, rather than overcome their fears to achieve something greater.

There is nothing necessarily wrong with becoming an “intellectual warrior”, unless that person lives under the fantasy that this alone will be enough to defeat the kind of evil we face today.

Non-aggression methods rely on very specific circumstances in order to be effective. Most of all, they rely on a system of government that is forced to at least PRETEND as if it cares what the masses think of it. Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, for example, only witnessed noticeable success because the British government at that time was required to present a semblance of dignity and rule of law. But what happens if a particular tyranny reaches a point where the facade of benevolence disappears? What happens when the establishment turns to the use of the purge as a tool for consolidation? What happens when the mask comes completely off?

How many logical arguments or digital stashes of ethereal Bitcoins will it take to save one's life or one's freedom then?

Arguments For And Against Violent Action


The position against the use of “violence” (or self defense) to obstruct corrupt systems depends on three basic debate points:

1) Violence only feeds the system and makes it stronger.

2) We need a “majority” movement in order to be successful.

3) The system is too technologically powerful – to fight it through force of arms is “futile”, and our chances are slim to none.

First, violence does indeed feed the system, if it is driven by mindless retribution rather than strategic self defense. This is why despotic governments often resort to false flag events; the engineering of terrorist actions blamed on scapegoats creates fear within the unaware portions of the population, which generates public support for further erosion of freedoms. However, there is such a thing as diminishing returns when it comes to the “reach, teach, and inspire” method.

The escalation of totalitarianism will eventually overtake the speed at which the movement can awaken the masses, if it has not done so already. There will come a time, probably sooner rather than later, when outreach will no longer be effective, and self defense will have to take precedence, even if that means subsections of the public will be shocked and disturbed by it. The sad fact is, the faster we wake people up, the faster the establishment will degrade social stability and destroy constitutional liberties. A physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable. Worrying about staying in the good graces of the general populace or getting honest representatives elected is, at a certain point, meaningless. I find it rather foolish to presume that Americans over the next decade or two or three have the time needed to somehow inoculate the system from within. In fact, I'm starting to doubt that strategy has any merit whatsoever.

Second, the idea that a movement needs a “majority” of public backing to shift the path of a society is an old wives tale. Ultimately, most people throughout history are nothing more than spectators in life, watching from the sidelines while smaller, ideologically dedicated groups battle for superiority. Global developments are decided by true believers; never by ineffectual gawkers. Some of these groups are honorable, and some of them are not so honorable. Almost all of them have been in the minority, yet they wield the power to change the destiny of the whole of the nation because most people do not participate in their own futures. They merely place their heads between their legs and wait for the storm to pass.

All revolutions begin in the minds and hearts of so-called “outsiders”. To expect any different is to deny the past, and to assume that a majority is needed to achieve change is to deny reality.

Third, I'm not sure why non-aggression champions see the argument of statistical chance as relevant. When all is said and done, the “odds” of success in any fight against oligarchy DO NOT MATTER. Either you fight, or you are enslaved. The question of victory is an afterthought.

Technological advantage, superior numbers, advanced training, all of these things pale in comparison to force of will, as the Finnish proved during the Winter War. Some battles during that conflict consisted of less than a hundred Finns versus tens-of-thousands of soviets. Yet, at the end of the war, the Russians lost 3500 tanks, 500 aircraft, and had sustained over 125,000 dead (official numbers). The Finns lost 25,000 men. For every dead Finn, the soviets lost at least five. This is the cold hard reality behind guerrilla and attrition warfare, and such tactics are not to be taken lightly.

Do we go to the Finnish and tell them that standing against a larger, more well armed foe is “futile”? Do we tell them that their knives and bolt action rifles are no match for tanks and fighter planes? And by extension, do we go to East Asia today and tell the Taliban that their 30 year old AK-47's are no match for predator drones and cruise missiles? Obviously, victory in war is not as simple as having the biggest gun and only the uneducated believe otherwise.

The Virtues Of Violence

The word “violence” comes with numerous negative connotations. I believe this is due to the fact that in most cases violence is used by the worst of men to get what they want from the weak. Meeting violence with violence, though, is often the only way to stop such abuses from continuing.

At Alt-Market, we tend to discuss measures of non-participation (not non-aggression) because all resistance requires self-sustainability. Americans cannot fight the criminal establishment if they rely on the criminal establishment. Independence is more about providing one's own necessities than it is about pulling a trigger. But, we have no illusions about what it will take to keep the independence that we build. This is where many conceptual solutions are severely lacking.

If the system refuses to let you walk away, what do you do? If the tyrants would rather make the public suffer than admit that your social or economic methodology is better for all, how do you remove them? When faced with a cabal of psychopaths with deluded aspirations of godhood, what amount of reason will convince them to step down from their thrones?

I'm sorry to say, but these questions are only answered with violence.

The Liberty Movement doesn't need to agree on the “usefulness” of physical action because it is coming regardless. The only things left to discern are when and how. Make no mistake, one day each and every one of us will be faced with a choice – to fight, or to throw our hands in the air and pray they don't shoot us anyway. I certainly can't speak for the rest of the movement, but in my opinion only those who truly believe in liberty will stand with rifle in hand when that time comes. A freedom fighter is measured by how much of himself he is willing to sacrifice, and how much of his humanity he holds onto in the process. Fear, death, discomfort; none of this matters. There is no conundrum. There is no uncertainty. There are only the chains of self-defeat, or the determination of the gun. The sooner we all embrace this simple fact, the sooner we can move on and deal with the dark problem before us.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...ften-necessary


Very well written thesis. I agree with you that worrying about the odds of victory and underestimating our ability to make change are probably the biggest problems for people who are concerned with what is happening to America. It's not always about odds and statistics, it's also about will and courage. Unfortunately I live in a city that has tight gun control. So i think the prospect of obtaining firearms for self defense is low for me unless I moved to a more gun friendly part of the country. Do you have any tips for people who live in big cities on how to prepare for the coming upheaval?
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Old 01-30-2015, 04:41 AM   #13
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There's a park near me that I go to often where I can see Mexicans, black men with their white wives and mulatto kids, and a variety of other foreigners any day, including Jews who are moving in by droves from the the north.

You may have noticed on TV and in movies that the new thing for the Jews is developing an image as MACHO MAN.

All of this accompanies the Hollywood campaign to emasculate, feminize, and otherwise queerate all men of white non-Kikey genetic heritage.

You may have also noticed that blacks have gotten a lot of mileage out of being just plain belligerent in all areas of daily life.
In other words, they aren't afraid to "mix it up", "get down with it" , "bring it on" and otherwise "duke it out".
Also, they are much less likely to weigh the consequences of violent confrontation or else they feel so strongly about "the principle of the matter" that they don't care if they go to prison for life just as long as they aren't "dissed" by da man.

A couple of other alternative explanations might stem from despair, hopelessness, excessive anger to the point of boiling over, great stupidity, or simple insanity.

Would any of you place yourselves in any of those categories?

Unless the cause or the motivation was great enough within me that I would be willing to risk a few broken bones in an unarmed contest, I doubt if I would be hot enough to want to pull a trigger on someone else, especially if they were unarmed and posed no immediate physical danger to me.

So, when I pass a Jew, or someone of likely Ashkenazim extract, strutting his stuff because he's spent years in a Dojo and/or lifting weights, I just chalk the thing up to more Jewish Supremacist Chutzbah (cocky conceit).

Besides, what would I get in return for my skinned knuckles or possibly shattered hand if I sucker punched the guy because I didn't like his attitude?

NOTHING, but possibly a jail sentence and a hefty fine.

Organized resistance requires a lot of necessary components in order to succeed.
Someone has already alluded to a few.

If ever I am approached or come in contact with sensible people, who are sound of mind, and otherwise fit for action, I will be glad to discuss some contingency plans in the event of a government crackdown such as occurs in places like China.

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I AGREE that there absolutely ARE times when the force of violence must be applied. That is when NOT to apply it would be a greater sin than applying it.
Before I venture out on that limb I must be absolutely certain that there is such a compelling reason for doing so that I would not be convicted in a court of God's saints for doing so.

Otherwise, if I get insulted or pushed far enough, I might just explode anyway. That's just human nature. I've known even timid little "sissy guys" to get pushed too far. If you physically hurt someone it's no telling how they will react.

That's why I make it a point to show everyone the respect they deserve. Afterall, hurting people isn't what we are after anyway is it? Isn't it just the right to choose and the ability to live with and marry our own kind without all these government imposed, forced social shotgun weddings being brought about by economic tyranny?

Don't we really just want the right to govern ourselves without the Jewish Supremacists having the final say on everything?
Don't we really want to be treated with the same respect that the blacks are demanding without demanding the special privileges that the Jews are trying to enforce for themselves?

If we had all those things, couldn't we be content to just let all those people live as they please so long as they stayed away from us?

I am NOT for "peace at any price".

A life of subjection and contrived poverty is not really peace is it?


No. I would never rule out the use of force as a viable alternative. But is must be RIGHT, and it must be VIABLE.
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In the way of solutions, I would suggest that white non-Jews adopt the networking techniques which Jews use in helping one another achieve economic and employment advantages.

I suggest that any tools and techniques which the Jewish Union has implemented against the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or "WASP" community, as they call it, would be fair to use in competing with the JUDEO community. This community includes not only the sector of the Jewish community which professes the practice of Judaism, but also those who present themselves as non-Jews, but who nevertheless work on behalf of the Jews agendas from within the non-Jewish community.
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I totally agree, There is far too much infighting in the WN or neo movements.
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viz:

http://jewish-business-networking.meetup.com/

http://www.jewishb2bnetworking.com/

http://www.jbusinessnetwork.net/

http://www.jmerica.com/networking/

http://jewishnetwork.com/

http://www.jewishnetworkingalliance.org/

http://shamash.org/

http://jewishbusinessnetworking.org/

http://jewishpro.com/

...and many MANY more!

Need I say that these organizations are set up by and for the benefit of JEWS
in preference to non-Jews?

This veiled form of discrimination remains concealed by virtue of the Holocaust industry which promotes Jews as being persecuted in addition to their identity as a strictly religious organization.

They do this in spite of the fact that many of them are atheists, Secular Humanists, Buddhists, and assorted opportunists.

They maintain a public relations campaign which presents them as a "victim" class despite the fact of having the highest per capita income OF ALL ethnic groups.


Jews wage ECONOMIC WAR.

They operate surreptitiously , "under the radar".


I suggest that if white Europeans want to compete successfully with Jews, that they learn to do so on the same terms as the Jews themselves have used.

This involves altering our perspective to one of LONG RANGE goals as well as scrapping the conceptual notion of "warfare" as consisting of various forms of physical combat.

Those with the MONEY call the shots.

Jews are experts at GETTING money, whereas most gentiles are socially obligated to MAKE it.
Note the distinction. There is a BIG difference.

Learn from your opponent.
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I totally agree, There is far too much infighting in the WN or neo movements.

I have made it a point to making myself alert to the possibility of HELPING my fellow whites whenever an occasion presents itself.

So when I pass them on the street I can look them fearlessly straight in the eyes because I KNOW what my true inner intentions are towards them.

The problem which remains is getting them to realize it.
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It may also help to realize that the many Jewish POLITICAL ACTION committees as well as their cadres of SOCIAL ENGINEERS are adept at pushing the envelope of change in their favor by limiting themselves to only assert their will insofar as it causes no substantial opposition.

Their activity often goes unnoticed because of deliberate efforts to conceal it.

When it is necessary to implement an unpopular agenda or one which is sure to arouse public resistance, they will employ a non-Jew to serve as the front man on whom the criticism will be leveled or blame placed as the case may be.

Our past Presidents including at least the Clintons, the Bushes, Obama have all served in this capacity.

These are only nationally prominent examples.

Jews work LOCALLY as well, where they obtain posts as CITY COMMISSIONERS and other such officials as have power and authority to channel the direction in which tax dollars flow.

All government money in the hands of Jews will invariably find it's way towards Jews and serving their causes.

These methods as well as the use of the media as propaganda and indoctrination tools have enabled them to preform a coup of the US Federal government without having to fire a shot.

That is unless one wants to include their involvement in the facilitation and execution of 9/11.
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I have made it a point to making myself alert to the possibility of HELPING my fellow whites whenever an occasion presents itself.

So when I pass them on the street I can look them fearlessly straight in the eyes because I KNOW what my true inner intentions are towards them.

The problem which remains is getting them to realize it.

Thats the hard part, most i have tried to convert to our way of thinking has been shrugged off,they cannot see what lies before them even friends and family will turn around and say this race war will never happen in our time but fuck it started with the decap of Lee Rigby by two dirty reverts who felt left out of normal society.How many more will be decaped on the kerbside before the whites wake up and stop looking down at the floor.
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I totally agree, There is far too much infighting in the WN or neo movements.

There is no doubt that sites such as these and other places which deal specifically with Jewish Supremacism and hegemony are not only monitored but also infiltrated by both formal agents of Hasbara as well as typical Jews and those with pro-Zionist sentiments.

I am convinced that law enforcement keeps an eye open for instances where there is any hint of potential violent or illegal activity.
One can see how this would serve as an easy means by which to corral and possibly incarcerate political opponents of the new JUDEO Marxist regime currently in command.

Sites set up intentionally with this in mind are called "honey-pots".

I suspect that Storm Front has come to serve as a kind of containment area for dissenters and for the suppression and distortion of information pertinent to 9/11 and other such news items which could be an embarrassment to the Neo-Con Zionist gangsters.


It is unlikely that so many Jews alone could preform all the tasks by themselves which are needed to keep a nation in ignorance and obeisance.
Therefore they must enlist the support of many non-Jews such as the Bushes, Cheneys, and Obamas.

Indeed without the financial and military support of the US Golem, their entire mid-east campaign would be impossible.

It is far better to have Goy white boys returning home minus their legs, while our Jewish sons remain at home or out of the line of fire to become doctors and lawyers. This way they can marry ATTRACTIVE Shicksa "hoes" while becoming monetarily wealthy and remaining physically intact.

As long as they continue producing television shows and movies which glamorize and glorify warfare, there will remain a sufficient number of unaware non-Jewish white boys, starving for respect and admiration, who will willingly risk life and limb on the roulette wheel of fortune in order to obtain some small sliver of the social pie.
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