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The greatest issue facing our people is the travesty of not having community centers/churches/temples/hofs/synagogues for us. In the case of Europe, there ought to be a British Church, French Church, German Church, etc., where the subject matter of the sermons would be the respective histories and cultures of the people of those nationalities, in addition to science and philosophy. If your tribe is not protected by a religion, then your people don't really exist. You're not in the game and your people will vanish with time. Needless to say, there should be a Global Faith we all belong to, followed by an American Faith, with the subdenomination of European American Faith, in addition to there being an African American Faith, First Nations Faith, Mixed/Cosmopolitan Faith, etc.

The following is a hypothetical framework for the "theology" of an "European American Church":

Sermon 1: Big Bang

How the Universe Works - The Big Bang - YouTube

Sermon 2: The Story of Earth and Life

The Story Of Earth And Life - YouTube

Sermon 3: Ape To Man Evolution

Ape To Man: Evolution Documentary History Channel - YouTube

Sermon 4: Specific Evolution of the White Race

Dr Douglas Whitman: "The Evolutionary and Biological Reality of Race" - YouTube
Dr Kevin Macdonald: "The Origins of the White Man" - YouTube

Sermon 5: History of the World and Europe

History of the World: Every Year - YouTube
History of Europe - 6013 years in 3 minutes - YouTube

Sermon 6: Founding Empires of Europe

Greeks Romans Vikings: The Founding Civilizations Of Europe - History Documentary HD - YouTube

Sermon 7: The British Empire

History of Britain - YouTube
History of the British Empire - YouTube

Sermon 8: War of Independence

American War of Independence in 9 Minutes - YouTube

Ideally, within the European American Church, the American Revolution would be thought of as a civil war tragedy within the British Empire, where a better solution was to allow the British folk that controlled America its greater freedoms, and to have reformation within the Church as outlined here:

Prince Charles: Why we need a meddling Monarch (reform the Church)!


Sermon 9: The Religions of Europe

To make everyone happy, ideally we'd be referencing Christianity, Paganism (Asatru/Druidism), and whatever other myths.

We'd also discuss real European history as a subject of the sermons, science (i.e. psychology), philosophy, etc.

Sermon 9a: National Polytheisms

Names of days and months explained - YouTube
What Is Paganism? - YouTube
The Ancient World of the Pagan Tribes of Europe - YouTube
Neoplatonism - Wikipedia


Sermon 9b: Christianity

Caesar's Messiah - YouTube
Spread of Religion - YouTube


Instead of JC or Odin/Baldr you could call It the "Cosmos", ... but there's no specific Holy Book to go with that (although here is a good effort: Cosmos Theology) and the issue with science is that we realize we're rising simians. Jared Taylor tends to end the American Renaissance conferences with "And may the spirit of our people guide you forward." At some point there needs to be a binding philosophy to unify us all.

The philosopher Alan Watts had a great theory IMO:

Quote:

Alan Watts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Wattsorldview


In several of his later publications, especially Beyond Theology and The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, Watts put forward a worldview, drawing on Hinduism, Chinese philosophy, pantheism or panentheism, and modern science, in which he maintains that the whole universe consists of a cosmic self playing hide-and-seek (Lila), hiding from itself (Maya) by becoming all the living and non-living things in the universe, forgetting what it really is; the upshot being that we are all IT in disguise. In this worldview, Watts asserts that our conception of ourselves as an "ego in a bag of skin" is a myth; the entities we call the separate "things" are merely aspects of the whole.

Watts's books frequently include discussions reflecting his keen interest in patterns that occur in nature and which are repeated in various ways and at a wide range of scales – including the patterns to be discerned in the history of civilizations.[38][39]

That is It I think (and you can find your evidence through paranormal synchronicity as Carl Jung described).


Sermon 9c: New Age


These organizations offer futuristic science minded religions:

Prometheism.net Humanity Plus - Wikipedia
Cosmos Theology World Pantheist Movement - Wikipedia Universal Pantheist Society - Wikipedia
Religious Science - Wikipedia Integral Institute Unitarian Universalism - Wikipedia
My Big TOE - Wiki

Again, the old with a modern spin:

Westminster Abbey - Oh God Our Help in Ages Past - YouTube
Alan Watts - Book of Eli - YouTube ; Alan Watts - Jesus and his religion - YouTube
British National Party Sermons - YouTube
League of the South Speeches - YouTube

Unfortunately, the Pagans only have 1-2 temples on the planet. A group like the Unitarian Universalists have buildings in nearly every city Pagans can use. It is essentially the de facto European American Church (they're also primarily Christian, and review science and philosophy):

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Another hope is that a church like the Anglicans might start allowing pagans and secularists to worship there:

Church of England creating 'pagan church' to recruit members - Telegraph
Are you Wiccan or Pagan? The Church of England has a place for you - GodDiscussion.com


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It is unfair that we non-Jewish Europeans must continue to strictly follow a derivation of the Jews' folklore as our nationalist religion. The consequences of not having a religion to celebrate your heritage and protect your tribe can manifest itself in many ways, namely a lack of positivity and social cohesion for the nation.

Lastly, comedy shows like Monty Python, Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, etc., can be seen as a type of new age theology to add to the mix lol.
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We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where instead of dogmatic, universalist Roman derived messianic Jewish folklore, we'll have sermons on real history, science, philosophy, our nations and culture, etc., in addition to our old mythologies. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.
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The greatest issue facing people of British descent is that we have no religion unique to our group, nor ethnic community centres to attend. If you go to to the Church of England or the Church of Scotland you don't hear about English and Scottish history and culture, you hear about Roman-Jewish mythology and culture.

May the British Government and Empire launch a new age reformation of the Church for our people. The British government owes it to the British folk across the world to reform the Church in our honour (the other denominations will follow suit).

Quote:

Future of religion in Britain is Islam and black majority churches | Christian News on Christian Today

9 Feb 2015 ... The future of religion in Britain is in black majority churches and Islam, according to a leading expert in religious trends. For white British people ...

Church Chat: Where did London's majority white church population go? : Adventist News Network

14 Dec 2011 ... Ian Sweeney says that within the more than 11,000 Seventh-day Adventist Church members in the London area there are probably less than 200 white British.

2067: The end of British Christianity - The Spectator

13 Jun 2015 ... It's often said that Britain's church congregations are shrinking, but that doesn't come close to expressing the scale of the disaster now facing Christianity in this country. Every ten years the census spells out the situation in detail: between 2001 and 2011 the number of Christians born in Britain fell by 5.3 million — about 10,000 a week. If that rate of decline continues, the mission of St Augustine to the English, together with that of the Irish saints to the Scots, will come to an end in 2067.

'No religion' is the new norm, survey of White British finds - Church Times

22 Jan 2016 ... In a survey of all races in the UK, carried out by researchers at Lancaster University last month, the majority of white British adults said that they have “no religion” at all. Just a quarter of those, however, were confident that there is no God.

The British state mustn't let go of the church - The Telegraph

16 Jan 2009 - The wishy-washiness of the Church of England, about which many critics complain, is the very point of it. The benefit that Britain has gained ...

To keep the institution relevant, we need the Church to actually focus on and celebrate the British people (instead of Jewish-Roman folklore). We need the Church to include science i.e. the Theory of Evolution (Church owes Charles Darwin apology over evolution theory, says senior Anglican); a rundown on the laws of physics, biology, chemistry; an overview of psychology; etc. We need the history of the British peoples presented, and "our culture" showcased. There should be a review of general philosophy and all the theologies on the planet, with great emphasis on our monotheistic and polytheistic traditions in Europe.

Being a proud 'atheist/agnostic', or 'philosophical traditionalist', and giving up on 'Christianity' is unstrategic. Those are OUR BUILDINGS our forefathers built. It'd be like abandoning your home because you didn't like the architect. We need to infiltrate the Church and work to REFORM it into something realistic, that suits our national ethnic interests.

Every European nation ought to reform its nationalist church such that its people is the subject matter - NOT the Jewish people, but the actual linguistic nationality the church serves. That's all Judaism is after all - the history of the Hebrew peoples (Christianity being a tangent of that story):

Quote:

Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Galilee who preached his message orally,[20] ...

...with a bunch of supernatural fantasy tied to it i.e. 'special powers' conferred on particular Jewish kings and commoners from the 'voice in the invisible'.

The Italians/Romans and their Catholic Church, the Germans and their Lutheran churches, the Russians and their Eastern Orthodox Church, etc., ... every nation should present its history in its church i.e. the history of the peoples who 'originally' formed the nation (before mass immigration and multicultural-racial-nationalityism), the history of their wars, the history of their particular Paganism and Christianity, followed by modern science (Big Bang Theory, M-Theory, Theory of Evolution, neurobiology, psychology, etc.) and philosophy (we could also add some comedy, song and dance too lol).

There is one page of the Bible I enjoy and that's this one:

Quote:

TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE JAMES, BY THE GRACE OF GOD,
KING OF GREAT BRITAIN
DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, ETC.

THE TRANSLATORS OF THE BIBLE WISH GRACE, MERCY, AND PEACE

King James Version of the Holy Bible - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Great and manifold were the blessings, most dread Sovereign, which Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, bestowed upon us the people of England, when first he sent Your Majesty's Royal Person to rule and reign over us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not well unto our Sion, that, upon the setting of that bright Occidental Star, Queen Elizabeth, of most happy memory, some thick and palpable clouds of darkness would so have overshadowed this land, that men should have been in doubt which way they were to walk, and that it should hardly be known who was to direct the unsettled State; the appearance of Your Majesty, as of the Sun in his strength, instantly dispelled those supposed and surmised mists, and gave unto all that were well affected exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the Government established in Your Highness, and Your hopeful Seed, by an undoubted Title; and this also accompanied with peace and tranquility at home and abroad.

Christianity's place in our reformed/restored churches should be respected, yet transcended. The wonderful simplicity of the authoritative patriarchal Father, Son and Holy Ghost ought to be respected and admired for its simplistic brilliance.

The British are being erased. The history of the British peoples is rich and fascinating, just like the Jewish peoples (except we should stop following their folklore). The New Bible of the British peoples ought to be a compilation of the Encyclopedia Britannica, Wikipedia, Metapedia, Uncyclopedia, Youtube, Trutube, etc. The Celts, Romans, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, etc., which formed the British, who largely formed North America, and are probably 90% of the people reading this board, should mobilize towards this new vision. I'd be happy taking an oath of allegiance to the Cosmos (and perhaps the Queen and nation for my job, and love at my wedding), but not to a mythological character in an old Roman-Jewish book. The Church needs to be updated!

The following is a hypothetical framework for the "theology" of a "British Church":

Sermon 1: Big Bang

How the Universe Works - The Big Bang

Sermon 2: The Story of Earth and Life

The Best Documentary Ever!! - The Story Of Earth And Life

Sermon 3: Ape To Man Evolution

Ape To Man: Evolution Documentary History Channel

Sermon 4: Specific Evolution of the White Race

Dr Douglas Whitman: "The Evolutionary and Biological Reality of Race"
Dr Kevin Macdonald: "The Origins of the White Man"

Sermon 5: History of the World and Europe

History of the World: Every Year
History of Europe - 6013 years in 3 minutes

Sermon 6: Founding Empires of Europe

Greeks Romans Vikings: The Founding Civilizations Of Europe - History Documentary HD

Sermon 7: The British Empire

History of Britain
History of the British Empire

Sermon 8: British America War of Independence

American War of Independence

Ideally, within the British Church, the American Revolution would be thought of as an unnecessary civil war tragedy within the British Empire, where a better solution was to allow the British folk that controlled America its greater freedoms, and to have reformation within the Church as suggested in this thread.

Sermon 9: The Religions of Europe and Britain


To make everyone happy, ideally we'd be referencing Christianity, Paganism (Asatru/Druidism), and whatever other myths.

We'd also discuss real European history as a subject of the sermons, science (i.e. physics, biology, chemistry, psychology), philosophy, etc. We'd discuss the wisdom of New Agers, such as Carl Jung, Alan Watts, etc. We'd look to shows like Monty Python, Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, American Dad, etc. for comedy.

Here is an American counterpart to the British Church:

European American Faith and Church

The Monarchy ought to consider declaring a state of spiritual emergency for the British folk:

Prince Charles: Why we need a meddling Monarch (reform the Church)!

Did the Church civilize Europe or vice versa?

Sermon 9b: Christianity


Instead of JC or Odin/Baldr you could call It the "Cosmos", ... but there's no specific Holy Book to go with that (although here is a good effort: Cosmos Theology) and the issue with science is that we realize we're rising simians. Jared Taylor tends to end the American Renaissance conferences with "And may the spirit of our people guide you forward." For a British Church, we might discuss the idea of a British God. At some point there needs to be a binding philosophy to unify us all. On an interesting note, this is something Hitler intended Alfred Rosenberg to create for Germans:

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Dr Alfred Rosenberg

My Myth (Myth of the Blood aka genes and peoplehood/nationalism) had met with considerable disapproval. I know, for example, that copies of the collective attack made against me by the Roman Church (it was entitled Studieste) had been sent by the various bishoprics to all higher military posts in an effort to do away with me scientifically. [...]

At the end of 1939, the Führer accepted the suggestion that he give me a directive, addressed to party, state and Wehrmacht, to bring about and secure a unification of National Socialist philosophy.

Odd characters had attached themselves to our various branches, and the Reich Ministry of Education vacillated considerably. I wanted to bring about a firm though non-sectarian attitude. My appointment had been agreed upon.

Then, suddenly, the Führer told me that Mussolini wanted to come into the war after all, and had asked him to do nothing at the moment that might aggravate the Church. My assuming office at this critical time would cause a great deal of disquiet. I agreed that under the circumstances my appointment would naturally have to be postponed. [...] No matter what the respective spiritual positions may be, today, after the collapse, the time for a final showdown between opposing philosophies has certainly not yet arrived.

[...]

The basic theme upon which we built all our plans, ..., was a philosophy of art.


The National Reich Church (aka The German Church) - Wikipedia

The philosopher Alan Watts essentially completed what Dr Alfred Rosenberg wanted to say IMO:

Quote:


Worldview

In several of his later publications, especially Beyond Theology and The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, Watts put forward a worldview, drawing on Hinduism, Chinese philosophy, pantheism or panentheism, and modern science, in which he maintains that the whole universe consists of a cosmic self playing hide-and-seek (Lila), hiding from itself (Maya) by becoming all the living and non-living things in the universe, forgetting what it really is; the upshot being that we are all IT in disguise. In this worldview, Watts asserts that our conception of ourselves as an "ego in a bag of skin" is a myth; the entities we call the separate "things" are merely aspects of the whole.

Watts's books frequently include discussions reflecting his keen interest in patterns that occur in nature and which are repeated in various ways and at a wide range of scales – including the patterns to be discerned in the history of civilizations.[38][39]


That is It (and you can find your evidence through paranormal synchronicity as Carl Jung described).

Sermon 9c: New Age


Again, the old with a modern spin:
Asatru Folk Assembly Sermon

The trouble is the Pagans have maybe 1-2 temples on the planet. The Unitarian Universalists (UUs) have buildings in nearly every city Pagans can use, but we'd like to see this same concept applied to the Church of England.

In any event, it is unfair that we non-Jewish Europeans must continue to strictly follow a derivation of the Jews' mythology as our nationalist religion. The consequences of not having a religion to celebrate your heritage and protect your tribe can manifest itself in many ways, namely a lack of positivity and social cohesion for the nation. At the end of the day, we realize we're part of the whole, and we want to participate in the multicultural society as an integral piece of that diversity, but we also want our identity as a group to be explicit.


Long live Great Britain and the British Empire! God save the Queen!


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Needless to say, there should be a "Global Faith" to which we also all belong, followed by the subdenomination of British Faith (and every nation should have a counterpart). Finally, the good stuff - see below:





Sermon 10: British Politics and Culture (Travel, Food, Comedy, Song, and Dance) Click the image to open in full size.

Sermon 10a: Politics

Jonathan Bowden: Tolerance & Empire, Leftist Delusions, Islamification, Labour Liars, British Future
Dr Andrew Fraser: The WASP Question


Sermon 10b: Culture

Travel Great Britain and Ireland
Food
Music
Dance
Comedy





I ask that the Monarchy push ahead with reforming the Church so we British descendants have a place to come together.

Richard Dawkins has announced he's a "cultural Anglican." Prince Charles defines himself as a "philosophical traditionalist". Surely, for an hour or two a week (or month), a scientific/philosophical sermon could be delivered.

Those following British paganism are supposedly also welcome. Surely for an additional hour or two a month, a pagan sermon could occur. Moreover, we'd like to see both types of sermons combined with the Christianity present, and British history, culture, and nationalism added as well.

Please reform the Church, and we will come back. Long live Great Britain and the British Empire! God save the Queen and the coming King!

Quote:

The Queen is a true Christian leader. But what about Prince Charles, who seems more interested in worshipping ...? | Coffee House

...the Prince of Wales practises what David Starkey calls ‘English Shinto’ – the English worshipping themselves

These are very good:

Ash Wednesday: Bishop of London Sermon - St Paul's Cathedral - YouTube
Bishop of London's amazing speech to William and Kate - YouTube
Margaret Thatcher's funeral: Bishop of London's sermon in full - YouTube

These are the types of sermons I could get into, and I suppose I could get into the rest too (always thinking in allegorical/metaphorical terms), as long as I knew the Church was catering to these concepts as well:

Paganism:
UU's Pagan Roots - Sermon: Rev. Jennifer Ryu - May 4, 2014 - YouTube
NewGrange Hall Asatru Hof - YouTube

Science:
Cosmos Theology - YouTube
Tom Campbell: A Recent Physics Experiment and What it Means to You - YouTube

New Age/Integral:
KW - Shout from the heart!! - YouTube
Ken Wilber on Levels of development - YouTube
Ken Wilber on Ego Development - YouTube
Ken Wilber - Subject becomes object - YouTube
Are You Enlightened - Ken Wilber? - YouTube
Democratizing Enlightenment - Ken Wilber - YouTube

Britishism:
History of the British Isles - Wikipedia
Culture of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
British nationalism - Wikipedia

Comedy:
Monty Python - YouTube
Dean Martin Roasts - YouTube

Dom Delouise, John Candy, Steve Martin, Rodney Dangerfield, John Winters, Etc.
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The French Faith and Church

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The French people ought to have a French Faith, where real history, philosophy, science, as well as French culture and nationalism will be celebrated. Needless to say, every nation should have an equivalent version. There should also be a "Global Faith" to which we all subscribe.

The Catholic Church in France should be a part of this effort. Interestingly, there was once a type of 'new age" French Faith called the Festival of the Supreme Being:

Quote:

Cult of the Supreme Being - Wikipedia

The Cult of the Supreme Being (French: Culte de l'Être suprême) [note 1] was a form of deism established in France by Maximilien Robespierre during the French Revolution. It was intended to become the state religion of the new French Republic and a replacement for Roman Catholicism and its rival, the Cult of Reason.

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The day forever fortunate has arrived, which the French people have consecrated to the Supreme Being. Never has the world which He created offered to Him a spectacle so worthy of His notice. He has seen reigning on the earth tyranny, crime, and imposture. He sees at this moment a whole nation, grappling with all the oppressions of the human race, suspend the course of its heroic labors to elevate its thoughts and vows toward the great Being who has given it the mission it has undertaken and the strength to accomplish it.

Is it not He whose immortal hand, engraving on the heart of man the code of justice and equality, has written there the death sentence of tyrants? Is it not He who, from the beginning of time, decreed for all the ages and for all peoples liberty, good faith, and justice?

He did not create kings to devour the human race. He did not create priests to harness us, like vile animals, to the chariots of kings and to give to the world examples of baseness, pride, perfidy, avarice, debauchery, and falsehood. He created the universe to proclaim His power. He created men to help each other, to love each other mutually, and to attain to happiness by the way of virtue.

It is He who implanted in the breast of the triumphant oppressor remorse and terror, and in the heart of the oppressed and innocent calmness and fortitude. It is He who impels the just man to hate the evil one, and the evil man to respect the just one. It is He who adorns with modesty the brow of beauty, to make it yet more beautiful. It is He who makes the mother's heart beat with tenderness and joy. It is He who bathes with delicious tears the eyes of the son pressed to the bosom of his mother. It is He who silences the most imperious and tender passions before the sublime love of the fatherland. It is He who has covered nature with charms, riches, and majesty. All that is good is His work, or is Himself. Evil belongs to the depraved man who oppresses his fellow man or suffers him to be oppressed.

The Author of Nature has bound all mortals by a boundless chain of love and happiness. Perish the tyrants who have dared to break it!

Republican Frenchmen, it is yours to purify the earth which they have soiled, and to recall to it the justice that they have banished! Liberty and virtue together came from the breast of Divinity. Neither can abide with mankind without the other.

O generous People, would you triumph over all your enemies? Practice justice, and render the Divinity the only worship worthy of Him. O People, let us deliver ourselves today, under His auspices, to the just transports of a pure festivity. Tomorrow we shall return to the combat with vice and tyrants. We shall give to the world the example of republican virtues. And that will be to honor Him still.

The monster which the genius of kings had vomited over France has gone back into nothingness. May all the crimes and all the misfortunes of the world disappear with it! Armed in turn with the daggers of fanaticism and the poisons of atheism, kings have always conspired to assassinate humanity. If they are able no longer to disfigure Divinity by superstition, to associate it with their crimes, they try to banish it from the earth, so that they may reign there alone with crime.

O People, fear no more their sacrilegious plots! They can no more snatch the world from the breast of its Author than remorse from their own hearts. Unfortunate ones, uplift your eyes toward heaven! Heroes of the fatherland, your generous devotion is not a brilliant madness. If the satellites of tyranny can assassinate you, it is not in their power entirely to destroy you. Man, whoever thou mayest be, thou canst still conceive high thoughts for thyself. Thou canst bind thy fleeting life to God, and to immortality. Let nature seize again all her splendor, and wisdom all her empire! The Supreme Being has not been annihilated.

It is wisdom above all that our guilty enemies would drive from the republic. To wisdom alone it is given to strengthen the prosperity of empires. It is for her to guarantee to us the rewards of our courage. Let us associate wisdom, then, with all our enterprises. Let us be grave and discreet in all our deliberations, as men who are providing for the interests of the world. Let us be ardent and obstinate in our anger against conspiring tyrants, imperturbable in dangers, patient in labors, terrible in striking back, modest and vigilant in successes. Let us be generous toward the good, compassionate with the unfortunate, inexorable with the evil, just toward every one. Let us not count on an unmixed prosperity, and on triumphs without attacks, nor on all that depends on fortune or the perversity of others. Sole, but infallible guarantors of our independence, let us crush the impious league of kings by the grandeur of our character, even more than by the strength of our arms.

Frenchmen, you war against kings; you are therefore worthy to honor Divinity. Being of Beings, Author of Nature, the brutalized slave, the vile instrument of despotism, the perfidious and cruel aristocrat, outrages Thee by his very invocation of Thy name. But the defenders of liberty can give themselves up to Thee, and rest with confidence upon Thy paternal bosom. Being of Beings, we need not offer to Thee unjust prayers. Thou knowest Thy creatures, proceeding from Thy hands. Their needs do not escape Thy notice, more than their secret thoughts. Hatred of bad faith and tyranny burns in our hearts, with love of justice and the fatherland. Our blood flows for the cause of humanity. Behold our prayer. Behold our sacrifices. Behold the worship we offer Thee.
Robespierre - 1794

Let us always be respectful towards the French, and what's left of French North America. Vive la France et vive le Québec libre (!):


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The German people ought to have a German Church, where the Bible would be supplemented with real history, philosophy, science, and German culture. The name for this new "religion" should be the German Faith. Needless to say, every nation should have an equivalent version. There should also be a general "European Faith" and "Global Faith" to which we all hold dear to our hearts.

Someone who endorsed this idea was Dr Alfred Rosenberg. Please bear in mind I in no way endorse what was National Socialism, but it is clear, in my opinion, various new age groups formed around that time, and the government was considering adopting one (or creating a hybrid version) to act as the new religion for Germany, but then Hitler banned it all in favor of Positive Christianity.

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My Myth (German peoplehood and faith therein) had met with considerable disapproval. I know, for example, that copies of the collective attack made against me by the Roman Church (it was entitled Studieste) had been sent by the various bishoprics to all higher military posts in an effort to do away with me scientifically. [...]

At the end of 1939, the Führer accepted the suggestion that he give me a directive, addressed to party, state and Wehrmacht, to bring about and secure a unification of National Socialist philosophy.

Odd characters had attached themselves to our various branches, and the Reich Ministry of Education vacillated considerably. I wanted to bring about a firm though non-sectarian attitude. My appointment had been agreed upon.

Then, suddenly, the Führer told me that Mussolini wanted to come into the war after all, and had asked him to do nothing at the moment that might aggravate the Church. My assuming office at this critical time would cause a great deal of disquiet. I agreed that under the circumstances my appointment would naturally have to be postponed. [...] No matter what the respective spiritual positions may be, today, after the collapse, the time for a final showdown between opposing philosophies has certainly not yet arrived.

[...]

The basic theme upon which we built all our plans, however, was a philosophy of art.

Quote:

Kirchenkampf - Wikipedia

During the War, Rosenberg, the party's official ideologist outlined the future envisioned for religion in Germany, with a thirty-point program for the future of the German churches. Among its articles: (1) the National Reich Church of Germany was to claim exclusive control over all churches in the Reich; (5) foreign faiths imported to Germany in 800 AD were to be supplemented; (7) priests/pastors were to be replaced with National Reich Orators; (13) publication of the Bible was to slow; (18) crucifixes, Bibles and saints to be supplemented; (19) Mein Kampf was to be placed on altars "to the German nation and therefore to God, one of the most sacred books"; (30) the Christian Cross was to be supplemented.[48]

The idea of replacing the Bible with Mein Kampf is largely nonsense (the reference for that claim is very questionable). Deep down Hitler and Rosenberg wanted Christianity evolved (IMO), but they realized the futility of that effort and placated it:


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Even Rosenberg maintained he was Christian:

Quote:

Gnostic Origins of Alfred Rosenberg's Thought - Institute of Historical Review

Rosenberg insisted throughout his writings and speeches that he was a Christian.

Hitler regretted writing Mein Kampf so obviously they wouldn't have wanted the Bible replaced with it (thanks for thinking of us Wikipedia Click the image to open in full size.).

Quote:

Rise of Hitler: Hitler's Book "Mein Kampf" - The History Place

Hitler would later express regret that he produced Mein Kampf, considering the extent of its revelations.

With respect to Rosenberg's book, Hitler said it was:

Quote:

Alfred Rosenberg - Wikipedia

"stuff nobody can understand"[14]

The existing churches ought to be reformed with a sensible new platform that honours the heritage of the German people. The Lutheran churches especially should be renamed "The German Church."

Two other noteworthy initiatives in this direction were/are:

Quote:

German Faith Movement
German Faith Movement - Wikipedia
German Faith Movement - Metapedia
Deutsche Glaubensbewegung – German Wikipedia

The German Faith Movement (Deutsche Glaubensbewegung) was closely associated with Jakob Wilhelm Hauer during the Third Reich (1933-1945) and sought to move Germany away from Christianity towards a religion based on the German peoplehood. Hauer was a professor at the University of Tübingen.

The development of the German Faith Movement revolved around several themes:
  • the history of the world and Germany.
  • science (i.e. psychology) and philosophy.
  • the supplementation of Christian ceremonies by pagan and new-age equivalents.
  • the propagation of the 'blood and soil' ideology.

Little information is available on the content of German Faith Movement, for the brief year it was permitted to exist, before Hitler banned it in favor of Christianity and/or a very secular concept where the state and simply believing in God (Gottgläubig - taxation category) would act as a substitute:

The German Faith Movement - Stormfront
The German Faith Movement - VNN

This second initiative is also noteworthy:

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German Confederation for the Knowledge of God

Bund für Deutsche Gotterkenntnis – Wikipedia
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Mathilde Ludendorff - Wikipedia

She represented the Bible as a Roman-Jewish work of fiction and instead called for a panentheism rooted in science and blood and soil rhetoric in which the soul of God permeated the land as a whole.[11] As part of her dual assault on Christianity and the occult, Ludendorff drew on her interpretation of science to develop her own religion, Gotterkenntnis or 'God Cognition', which emphasized notions of racial inheritance, culture, nationalism, economy and justice.[2]

On a last note, Dr Alfred Rosenberg took a keen interest in the Asian philosophies/religions at the end of his life:
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Memoirs of Dr Alfred Rosenberg

India came first, Schröder, Böthlingk, Schlaginweit, Schack, and so on. Everything concerning its philosophy and literature was dug up. Only then did I begin to comprehend the whole wealth of this culture, once so great: the aristocracy of its thoughts and the beauty of its poetry. I excerpted many volumes and kept the excerpts through all the years. In 1943, when my house was bombed, I found a last half-torn page in the rubble. I picked it up and stuck it into my pocket. Now that, too, is gone. Whenever I dreamed about a place of work for my declining years, I invariably considered the utilisation of India's wisdom, and actually founded in Munich a research office for Indo-Germanic history. A prominent historian had laid out an ambitious plan, and a four-volume edition of Indien und der deutsche Geist (India and the German spirit) was in preparation. Much had been started; but now everything has collapsed. The basic theme upon which we built all our plans, however, was a philosophy of art.

The philosopher Alan Watts essentially completed what Dr Alfred Rosenberg wanted to say IMO:

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Worldview

In several of his later publications, especially Beyond Theology and The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, Watts put forward a worldview, drawing on Hinduism, Chinese philosophy, pantheism or panentheism, and modern science, in which he maintains that the whole universe consists of a cosmic self playing hide-and-seek (Lila), hiding from itself (Maya) by becoming all the living and non-living things in the universe, forgetting what it really is; the upshot being that we are all IT in disguise. In this worldview, Watts asserts that our conception of ourselves as an "ego in a bag of skin" is a myth; the entities we call the separate "things" are merely aspects of the whole.

Watts's books frequently include discussions reflecting his keen interest in patterns that occur in nature and which are repeated in various ways and at a wide range of scales – including the patterns to be discerned in the history of civilizations.[38][39]

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The European Faith and the Global Faith
In addition to every country's nationalism and people being a faith in itself, there also ought to be a general "European Faith" and "Global Faith" to which we all hold dear to our hearts. We'd be putting our 'faith' in all European mankind, in addition to all humanity. Click the image to open in full size. The subject matter of the sermons would be science, philosophy and real history. We'd discuss European and global goals, such as continental and planetary sustainability, and one day, colonizing the solar system.

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Thank you for your forum. Just backing things up here. I won't be responding to comments. This thread is just my religious blathering gibberish. Ignore it if it doesn't appeal. All the best and keep up the good fight for our nations and people!
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